[Mishmash] World Trade Center

[Ingrid & Eric Holzman]

I don't disagree that Hezbollah is essentially impossible to negotiate with, 
but violence begets violence.  And I may be Jewish, but I don't feel that 
Israel is entirely innocent either.  They have been at some kind of war for 
a very long time.  They haven't gotten the message either that violence 
won't solve the problem.  The U.N. has lost a great deal of credibililty, 
but they seem to look to us and how are we handling things in Iraq?  Not 
good.  We want everyone to be a democracy, like us, but who are we to impose 
our will upon another?  We have greater issues in our own backyard.  We have 
too many kids who can't make the grade and are failing in school.  Shouldn't 
we try to fix that before we try to fix another nation?  What about the 
working poor?  The people who truly work hard, but can barely make ends 
meet.  I'm not talking about the "illegals" GW wants to remove from our 
country, but those who aren't earning a decent wage.  Our minimum wage in 
this country stinks!  It doesn't work with the cost of living -- the TRUE 
cost of living -- not the inflated one in the big cities.

Getting back to your points, I do agree that the people who are involved in 
the mideast fighting as well as yesterday's terrorist plot are extremists, 
but I can't agree that we always need to resort to violence that ultimately 
affects innocent people in the crossfire.

Ingrid
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Atkinson" <fatkinson at mishmash.com>
To: "Mishmash" <mishmash at mishmash.net>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Mishmash] World Trade Center


> Ingrid,
>
>    If you believe that Hezbollah can be successfully negotiated with, you
> need to rethink.  They are the extremists Arabs who believe (like Hitler
> did) that the Jews should be exterminated.  And they are determined to do
> that.
>
>    Sadly, the only solution I see is a military one in which Hezbollah
> would take massive losses.  Israel will need help to do that.  But the U. 
> N.
> will sit and twiddle their thumbs.
>
>    I used to believe in the U.N., but they've lost any credibility.  They
> sit on their thumbs, provide delays to taking action that needs to be 
> taken,
> and ultimately get nothing accomplished.  If they agree to a 
> multi-national
> force to deal with this, I'm going to be very surprised.
>
>    Diplomacy with terrorists is like trying to rehabilitate a psychotic
> serial killer to rejoin society.  I'm very sorry to say there are people 
> in
> the world who's signature on a treaty isn't worth the cost of the paper it
> is printed on.  But that describes terrorists exactly.
>
>    They don't have any respect for life, other than the survival of their
> race and they are willing to die and kill a massive number of innocent
> people to achieve that.  They'd come over here and extinguish innocent 
> lives
> in a split second.  Look at the cowardly way they use their own civilians 
> as
> human shields.  And then when their own innocent civilians get killed
> because they placed them in harm's way, they use it against Israel and the
> U. S. in the world community.
>
>    Why doesn't someone call what they are doing exactly what it is?  That
> word is genocide.
>
>    These people want to stay in the past and keep their followers ignorant
> and uneducated so they can fill their minds with this dribble about how
> Allah wants to kill infidels including Jews (Israel) and Americans. 
> That's
> the not a god that I know and believe in.
>
>    No offense intended to anyone of Japanese ancestry when I say this, but
> we took drastic action to put an end to their type of war.  I am not
> advocating using nuclear weapons, but nothing short of a devasting 
> military
> defeat is going to stop terrorists.
>
>    The Japanese had to rebuild and they became a civilized industrial
> nation.  I'm sorry to say that I think that may be the only solution.
>
>    Regards,
>
>
>
>                                                                    Fred
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ingrid & Eric Holzman" <ieholzman at verizon.net>
> To: "Mishmash" <mishmash at mishmash.net>
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 7:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mishmash] World Trade Center
>
>
>> I'm not sure I fully gather your message, Hugh.  Are you saying that we
>> shouldn't try to negotiate peace and diplomacy as in the case of Israel
> and
>> Hezbollah?  Do you think it's best to let the bombs fall and whoever 
>> comes
>> out standing in the end is the winner?
>>
>> I agree that there is a group that definitely hates Americans.  I also
> think
>> that yesterday's plan wasn't necessarily the whole plan.  I can't help 
>> but
>> feel that there's more in the wings that we are missing --- being 
>> diverted
>> from seeing as we raise our fists for foiling this plot in England.  It
>> didn't surprise me to hear that a woman was involved.  It's the new wave
> of
>> things to come.  Children as the bombers will be next.
>>
>> Ingrid
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <hgigante at optonline.net>
>> To: "Mishmash" <mishmash at mishmash.net>
>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 5:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Mishmash] World Trade Center
>>
>>
>>
>> > The talk yesterday and today scares me, especially those who still 
>> > think
>> > talk, negotiating, and diplomacy will work.
>> >
>> > Truth is there are a whole bunch of people who want us dead. They want
> us
>> > dead because we are a modern society and don't care if "we" are adults,
>> > children, or whatever.
>> >
>> > Those who say yesterday was proof our current approachis not working
>> > forget our current approach stopped the plan, and has stopped all major
>> > attacks for five years now . . . in part by keeping the nuts busy
> fighting
>> > it out in Iraq.
>> >
>> > Hugh
>> >
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