[Mishmash] FOX News Video: Hero Professor

[Hugh Gigante]

We agree again. I don't really care what other countries allow, but we 
shouldn't.

US citizenship should be based on someone wanting to be part of our society, 
not just showing up for the benefits. Being able to earn a living or get an 
education should be handled the same way.

Hugh
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ingrid & Eric Holzman" <ieholzman at verizon.net>
To: "Mishmash" <mishmash at mishmash.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Mishmash] FOX News Video: Hero Professor


> LOL!  Guess what, Hugh.  I have dual citizenship. :-)  My parents were not
> yet citizens of America when I was born and, according to Dutch law, that
> makes me a Dutch citizen.  Because I was born on American soil, I'm an
> American citizen.  Frankly, I find that the means by which we grant 
> American
> citizenship is faulty.  This is a fundamental flaw as we see with the
> Mexican women who cross the border and give birth in an American hospital.
> The children are given all rights as American citizens and because they 
> are
> minors, the mothers are permitted to stay in the country.  A loophole big
> enough to hang a nation.  I believe tht citizenship should only be based 
> on
> the citizenship of the parents, not the land a child is born on.
>
> Ingrid
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hugh Gigante" <hgigante at optonline.net>
> To: "Mishmash" <mishmash at mishmash.net>
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mishmash] FOX News Video: Hero Professor
>
>
>> We agree. My point was we need to look at a status that says you can be
>> here, own a business, and still be a non-citizen.
>>
>> But then again, I object to duel citizenship as well.
>>
>> Hugh
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ingrid & Eric Holzman" <ieholzman at verizon.net>
>> To: "Mishmash" <mishmash at mishmash.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mishmash] FOX News Video: Hero Professor
>>
>>
>>> Hugh,
>>>
>>> I haven't heard that this individual's parents are here illegally.  They
>>> own
>>> a dry-cleaning business.  I believe that in order for them to have that,
>>> they cannot be illegal.  I don't disagree that we need to do something
>>> about
>>> the undocumented individuals in our country, but let's not point the
>>> finger
>>> and say that all foreigners cause the heinous crimes such as that which
>>> happened at Virginia Tech.
>>>
>>> The boys who shot up Columbine were born & raised here in America.  The
>>> unibomber is American.  The Oklahoma City bombers...American.  It's not
>>> just
>>> undocumented non-citizens who wreak havoc upon our nation.  When we look
>>> at
>>> the bottom line, these are individuals who are deeply disturbed.
>>> Regardless
>>> of where they were born or if they are legal or not, it was a mental
>>> health
>>> issue in all of the heinous crimes I mentioned.
>>>
>>> Ingrid
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Hugh Gigante" <hgigante at optonline.net>
>>> To: "Mishmash" <mishmash at mishmash.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:04 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Mishmash] FOX News Video: Hero Professor
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ingrid:
>>>>
>>>> One of my on-going problems with the legal/illegal alien thing is that
>>>> it
>>>> is
>>>> a black and white issue people try to make misty.
>>>>
>>>> Its real simple . . . either someone is here in a legal fashion, or 
>>>> they
>>>> are
>>>> not. As we have defined non-citizens as requiring documentation, anyone
>>>> who
>>>> is not a citizen should be required to get that documentation. If that
>>>> means
>>>> a child, then his or her parents should be required to do so.
>>>>
>>>> And nobody should be allowed to stay for extended periods of time
>>>> without
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe if we handled the whole thing as the black and white issue it
>>>> really
>>>> is, we wouldn't have the moaning and groaning we seem to love going
>>>> through.
>>>> Remember the Malvo guy who shot up people in the DC area a few years
>>>> ago?
>>>> He
>>>> was a non-registered alien. Our wonderful employees in the government
>>>> were
>>>> processing a series of hearings . . . about what???? If someone is
>>>> standing
>>>> inside the country and does not belong inside the country, they a 
>>>> simply
>>>> put
>>>> breaking a law. Walkint them to the nearest exit sooms the only logical
>>>> next
>>>> step.
>>>>
>>>> Hugh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Ingrid & Eric Holzman" <ieholzman at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "Mishmash" <mishmash at mishmash.net>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:39 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Mishmash] FOX News Video: Hero Professor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hugh,
>>>>>
>>>>> This individual came over with his family when he was 8 years old. 
>>>>> His
>>>>> family started a business and were productive members of our society.
>>>>> Obviously, a visa or work permit did not apply to this person.  My
>>>>> brother
>>>>> came over with my parents from Holland when he was 10.  Should he have
>>>>> had
>>>>> a
>>>>> visa or work permit.  BTW, he is almost 58 years old and became a
>>>>> citizen
>>>>> less than 10 years ago.  Prior to that he was still a Dutch National.
>>>>> Using
>>>>> your logic, my brother should have been deported for not having the
>>>>> correct
>>>>> papers before he was even done with elementary school.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ingrid
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Hugh Gigante" <hgigante at optonline.net>
>>>>> To: "Mishmash" <mishmash at mishmash.net>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:35 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mishmash] FOX News Video: Hero Professor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, we've already progressed to where this guy is a victim himself .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> give it a few days and we will have placed the blame squarely on
>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My only general take on this so far is why do we let anyone say in 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> country for 14 years on any form of visa or work permit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hugh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Robyne Kerr" <Robyne.Kerr at utas.edu.au>
>>>>>> To: "Mishmash" <mishmash at mishmash.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:47 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mishmash] FOX News Video: Hero Professor
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>From: Hugh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I love the media on this one . . . hundreds of reporters out there
>>>>>>>>working
>>>>>>>>on their pulitzer or promotion . .  .especially like the gun control
>>>>>>>>crap
>>>>>>>>they push out . . . like this guy and other crimminals who don't 
>>>>>>>>obey
>>>>>>>>laws
>>>>>>>>now weill obey a new one!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hugh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this also get to me the gun controls will never stop this sort of
>>>>>>> thing or criminals, but it is always mentioned after an event like
>>>>>>> this. This person could have killed as many people by just driving
>>>>>>> into a crowd. We can't control other peoples minds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robyne
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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