[Mishmash] (no subject)

[Ingrid & Eric Holzman]

Jiminy, David, you have just asked a loaded question -- "How can we change things for the better?"  That's difficult because obviously we, humans, all have differing views on what classifies "better."   As an example, we have our "decision maker" who thinks that violence is the answer to forming a democracy.  I disagree with that.  Of course, I haven't quite figured out what gives us the right to impose democracy on every nation that isn't like ours.  Yes, we are a powerful country, but we are very far in debt and have a lot of faults.  We have kids who live in cars or on the streets with their parents, families who don't have adequate food in their homes for more than one meal a day, schools with textbooks that say we haven't landed on the moon yet (yes! this is true!), and the list can go on.  We are so imperfect, yet we try to instill our values upon others.  We shouldn't try to clean up someone else's backyard since ours is pretty dirty.

There can never be 100% agreement on change.  What one person things is best, another may spit upon.  We all have our opinions, our values, and we all want our own way.  As a result, war begins.  It first begins with words, then it evolves into threats, and then, sadly, into actions.  Since the creation of man there has been disagreement.  Unfortunately, as we become technologically more savvy, more lives are lost and the potential for lives lost is even greater if nations begin using chemical warfare.  As a liberal-thinking, peace-loving person, I worry.  I worry about what my children will live through during their lifetime.

Ingrid
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Brown 
  To: 'Mishmash' 
  Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 6:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mishmash] (no subject)


  Hi Ingrid.

   

  Sadly the world is full of horrible men and, it seems to me anyway, that many of them get into positions of power.  I guess that is one of the traits of ruthlessness.  There is an oft repeated joke here that it would be good if a plane carrying the Government crashed but there are ranks and ranks of clones waiting in the wings to fill the void.

   

  I whole heartedly agree with you about guns.  I don't think killing solves anything.  In fact, looking at history, it just seems to make things worse.  I cannot think of an example of a despot being killed that caused an improvement for the subjects.  Hitler would be the exception but I wonder if one of the assassination plots had succeeded how things would have been different.  Perhaps the Nazis would have sued for peace but would things have changed much for the people?  We will never know.

   

  I am currently reading a book on the first world war.  It is very depressing.  How could so may people in charge send so many lambs to the slaughter?  And to what end?

   

  The problem as I see it is for us, conservative, peace loving people.  How can we change things for the better?

   

  Regards

   

  David

   

  From: Ingrid Holzman



   

  I agree with you, David.  I have yet to see real proof that Bin Laden had anything to do with this.  Just because Bush wants to tell us that Bin Laden and Hussein were behind it, doesn't make it true.  Bin Laden and Hussein are/were horrible men, but I believe there are plenty of others out there hell bent on making the lives of U.S. citizens miserable.  I'm sure that these two men weren't exactly sad to see the tragedy on our land, probably had big grins, but I think we haven't enough tangible evidence to say Bin Laden was behind it.  Those involved may have been Laden wannabes, but that doesn't mean Bin Laden was the true mastermind.

   

  As for our right to carry guns to protect ourselves from a rogue government, I'm not in favor of this at all.  Guns get into the wrong hands and ultimately more innocent lives are lost as a result of them.  I have no issues with those who hunt for food to feed their families, but I do have issues with those who want a gun to protect themselves from potential harm.  I've seen too many kids get a hold of these guns because the supposed responsible adults negligence in keeping them locked up away from them.  

   

  Ingrid



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