[Mishmash] Can it really be?????
Carole
cbower at frontiernet.net
Mon Jan 7 17:54:41 CST 2008
let me be clear once more - this started because of a state law forbidding
smoking anywhere in the whole damn state. i never felt discriminated
against having to go to smoking areas. i never felt discriminated against
if i had to go outside to smoke - even in -0 weather. i never felt
discriminated against not being able to smoke in offices - that was the
decision of the business OWNER. i never felt discriminated against not
being able to smoke in public buildings - i could always go outside, but
ususally didn't bother with smoking unles someone else wanted to. BUT -
when our damn governor (who i didn't vote for and for some reason no one
will admit to voting for - guess it was just people in chicago) decides that
there will be no smoking anyplace, private businesses, private restaurants,
private bars, private clubs (where people pay dues to belong), and no
smoking 15 feet from any door or window (that would include drive-ups in my
own privately owned car) THEN - i feel discriminated against.
you might be interested in the 2 exceptions - a place of business who's
profit is at least 90% from the sale of tobacco (and there are no such
stores as that since the state has put such a huge tax on tobacco that
everyone gets ther's out of state). and this is the one you'd be interested
in: nursing homes - except the smoking must be done in their own private
room. now, the nursing homes are having a fit about that because they had
designated smoking areas where they could keep an eye on the residents. now
they can't do that. see, these lawmakers just make laws - they don't care
about consequences. when i was working for the census bureau one of our
surveys was on smoking. i did this for 17 years and the responses never
changed - except for the real fanatics (on both sides) - almost everyone
answered that smoking should be allowed in certain areas of restaurants and
in most areas of taverns.
carole
-------Original Message-------
From: LCR at rochester.rr.com
Date: 1/7/2008 5:09:27 PM
To: Mishmash
Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Can it really be?????
My space is just a term that I use for the air i'm breathing in, which is a
few feet from my body.
I have walked off from cigarette smoke and left their space, not offended
though.
I work on the administration side of a retirement home so our laws are
probably tougher on smoking than some places. Half the building is
independent, people just renting apartments with 24 hour reception duty with
meals furnished in the dining room if they choose, the other half are
apartments with people who need a little more care, and have a nurse and
caregivers, although not bad enough for a nursing home, and we are governed
by the New York Health department in that section. We have a few on oxygen
so therefore our rules are even tougher than some companies. It is not an
employer decision in my work place it goes much higher.
I have friends who smoke, it's their choice. I don't go berserk if someone
lights one up. If it begins to bother me I move away. I think it's bad for
your health and those around them, but as I said it's their choice.
There has to be a compromise of some kind or smoker's and non-smokers would
go at each other's throats. Your smoke does effect others, and others
object. Thus a compromise has to be reached. I think you and other smokers
do not agree that the smoker's should be banned to another area and I agree
that does not look like a fairness to smokers but it's the only way that
works now, most employers now and public places do not want cigarette smoke
in their building and the majority now are non-smokers.
I think employer's should take care of it, I agree with you on the
statement that it shouldn't be a law issue.
Carol and Hugh are hilarious today. :-)
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: Carole
To: Mishmash
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Can it really be?????
i just returned from bingo. i was offended by all the very over weight and
sloppy women who were sharing my space. every time one of them passed me
they ran into me because they were taking up more than their allotted space.
i think they should be banned from public places. they are offensive and
are certainly in poor health because of their fat. i also think they should
stay 15 feet away form me as quite a few of them smell badly because it's
hard to keep fat folds clean and if they stay 15' away they won't be always
bumping into me with the possibility of knocking me down and harming me.
carole
-------Original Message-------
From: Hugh Gigante
Date: 1/6/2008 3:21:15 PM
To: Mishmash
Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Can it really be?????
I was with you until the compromise comment.
I agree with that . . . smokers and non-smokers should be able to share the
public space they both own.
But what compromise in private places? Since when does someone have to
compromise with people he or she shares nothing with?
Smoking laws are nothing but freedom restrictions. You can talk and make
good cases for the benefits, dangers, and whatever about the habit, but the
minute you let some goverment hack tell you what to do with private assets,
you're on the road to a socialist state.
An easy test of your agreement with the concept is to pick another legal
activity, and replace it in any non-smoking statement (like the sign that
says "smoking prohibited within 15 feet". If, with the replacement, the
statement makes sense it will for smoking. If not . . .
Hugh
----- Original Message -----
From: <LCR at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Mishmash" <mishmash at mishmash.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Can it really be?????
>
> I am a non-smoker and the smoke chokes me when someone smokes in my
> "space"
> but no matter how we feel about smoking, it's still a person's individual
> right to choose whether they smoke or not.
>
> I believe that most employers are concerned with health issues and
> insurance costs in making some of their decisions. If you smoke you can
> be
> sure that you will have health problems in the future. I believe that
> most
> people who smoke know that, and are aware and it's their choice that they
> continue to smoke.
>
> I think that Hugh sees it as a non-government issue and the point of not
> taking more of his rights away, and it is his choice. Looking at it from
> both sides, Hugh has his right to smoke if he chooses too, I have my right
> not to be subjected to cigarette smoke. So a compromise should be worked
> out. Because of the health issue, employers opt for the smokers to be
> outside and away from the building thus making it look like the smokers
> are
> discrimated against. There are more non-smokers in society now than
> smokers
> which was not the case several years ago.
>
> It is also a fire issue now. In my workplace, they used to let the
> smokers smoke outside the doors and under the porches on the building.
> Now
> they have to be several yards from the building, so they are letting them
> smoke under the carport in the parking area. This idea was not accepted
> well but they have to comply. It's cold out there, and they have to walk
> in
> the snow and ice to get to the carport which is not far from the building,
> maybe 100 yards. Thus the smokers feel like they are being mistreated.
>
> We have HIPPA laws governing us here concerning all health matters. We
> have
> privacy in all medical records.
>
> Linda
>
>
>
>
>
>> Smoking is a disgusting, dibilitating habit and I don't miss dodging
>> that
>> bullet - my concern about all the non-smoking legislation being passed is
>> that once that "right" is gone, what will be next under fire. Actually,
>> I can answer that - trans-fats in foods. Effective January 1st here in
>> Calgary restaurants had to convert to trans-fat free cooking oils. I
>> heard New York has already gone trans-fat free but don't know if that's
>> been legislated or is voluntary.
>>
>> Government intrusion into our lives here in Canada is insidious and out
>> of
>> control - I didn't go for my annual physical last fall and I had a letter
>> a few weeks ago from the Department of Health telling me to go get one -
>> and brochures on the dangers of breast cancer, etc. I am apalled and so
>> angry - this a total invastion of privacy but there's nothing I can do -
>> in Alberta, your health records are not confidential.
>>
>> Enough ranting -
>>
>> Susan
>> Calgary
>>
>>
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