[Mishmash] Can it really be?????

Tue Jan 8 16:27:39 CST 2008

When people can't agree on something or follow rules laid out by others, then that causes the government to become involved a big part of the time; or some "YELL" the loudest, causing the government to step in.  Sometimes it's none of the above they just do it for their interest.

Linda

  Here's my take.

  The federal government should do nothing but what it is intended to do . . . mount an army, defend our borders, and establish treatys where instructed. No department of education, welfare, labor, of whatever else they've dreamed up to interfere in our lives.

  Smoking laws to me represent the peak of government interference in daily life.  

  Hugh
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: GALEHALLOCK at aol.com 
    To: mishmash at mishmash.net 
    Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:42 PM
    Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Can it really be?????

    I've never in my life been able to understand the governments role in saving us from ourselves.  Doesn't anyone in politics smoke?  God knows they drink.  So you won't see a ban on bars.  Only smoking in them.  

    I'm one of these rare people who has never smoked and I don't know why I've never smoked.   My entire family smoked.  Mother, father (who has a smoldering cigar etched on his tombstone), 3 sisters (one who's a nun), 2 brothers and nearly every friend.  Growing up I thought EVERY home had a smoke haze on all the windows in their houses.  And now at 56, if second hand smoke is dangerous it's much too late for me.  So.........smoke'em if you gottem.

    Gale
    (cough cough)

    cbower at frontiernet.net writes:
      let me be clear once more - this started because of a state law forbidding smoking anywhere in the whole damn state.  i never felt discriminated against having to go to smoking areas.  i never felt discriminated against if i had to go outside to smoke - even in -0 weather.  i never felt discriminated against not being able to smoke in offices - that was the decision of the business OWNER.  i never felt discriminated against not being able to smoke in public buildings - i could always go outside, but ususally didn't bother with smoking unles someone else wanted to.  BUT - when our damn governor (who i didn't vote for and for some reason no one will admit to voting for - guess it was just people in chicago) decides that there will be no smoking anyplace, private businesses, private restaurants, private bars, private clubs (where people pay dues to belong), and no smoking 15 feet from any door or window (that would include drive-ups in my own privately owned car) THEN - i feel discriminated against. 

       you might be interested in the 2 exceptions - a place of business who's profit is at least 90% from the sale of tobacco (and there are no such stores as that since the state has put such a huge tax on tobacco that everyone gets ther's out of state).  and this is the one you'd be interested in:  nursing homes - except the smoking must be done in their own private room.  now, the nursing homes are having a fit about that because they had designated smoking areas where they could keep an eye on the residents.  now, they can't do that.  see, these lawmakers just make laws - they don't care about consequences.  when i was working for the census bureau one of our surveys was on smoking.  i did this for 17 years and the responses never changed - except for the real fanatics (on both sides) - almost everyone answered that smoking should be allowed in certain areas of restaurants and in most areas of taverns.  
      carole

      -------Original Message-------

      From: LCR at rochester.rr.com
      Date: 1/7/2008 5:09:27 PM
      To: Mishmash
      Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Can it really be?????

      My space is just a term that I use for the air i'm breathing in, which is a few feet from my body.

      I have walked off from cigarette smoke and left their space, not offended though.  

      I work on the administration side of  a retirement home so our laws are probably tougher on smoking than some places.  Half the building is independent, people just renting apartments with 24 hour reception duty with meals furnished in the dining room if they choose, the other half are apartments with people who need a little more care, and have a nurse and caregivers, although not bad enough for a nursing home, and we are governed by the New York Health department in that section.  We have a few on oxygen so therefore our rules are even tougher than some companies.  It is not an employer decision in my work place it goes much higher. 

      I have friends who smoke, it's their choice.  I don't go berserk if someone lights one up.  If it begins to bother me I move away.  I think it's bad for your health and those around them,  but as I said it's their choice.

      There has to be a compromise of some kind or smoker's and non-smokers would go at each other's throats.  Your smoke does effect others, and others object.  Thus a compromise has to be reached.  I think you and other smokers do not agree that the smoker's should be banned to another area and I agree that does not look like a fairness to smokers but it's the only way that works now, most employers now and public places do not want cigarette smoke in their building and the majority now are non-smokers. 

        I think employer's should take care of it, I agree with you on the statement that it shouldn't be a law issue.

      Carol and Hugh are hilarious today. :-)

      Linda
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Carole 
      To: Mishmash 
      Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:20 PM
      Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Can it really be?????

            i just returned from bingo.  i was offended by all the very over weight and sloppy women who were sharing my space.  every time one of them passed me they ran into me because they were taking up more than their allotted space.  i think they should be banned from public places.  they are offensive and are certainly in poor health because of their fat.  i also think they should stay 15 feet away form me as quite a few of them smell badly because it's hard to keep fat folds clean and if they stay 15' away they won't be always bumping into me with the possibility of knocking me down and harming me.
            carole

            -------Original Message-------

            From: Hugh Gigante
            Date: 1/6/2008 3:21:15 PM
            To: Mishmash
            Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Can it really be?????

            I was with you until the compromise comment.

            I agree with that . . . smokers and non-smokers should be able to share the
            public space they both own.

            But what compromise in private places? Since when does someone have to
            compromise with people he or she shares nothing with?

            Smoking laws are nothing but freedom restrictions. You can talk and make
            good cases for the benefits, dangers, and whatever about the habit, but the
            minute you let some goverment hack tell you what to do with private assets,
            you're on the road to a socialist state.

            An easy test of your agreement with the concept is to pick another legal
            activity, and replace it in any non-smoking statement (like the sign that
            says "smoking prohibited within 15 feet". If, with the replacement, the
            statement makes sense it will for smoking. If not . . .

            Hugh
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: <LCR at rochester.rr.com>
            To: "Mishmash" <mishmash at mishmash.net>
            Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:37 AM
            Subject: Re: [Mishmash] Can it really be?????

            >
            > I am a non-smoker and the smoke chokes me when someone smokes in my
            > "space"
            > but no matter how we feel about smoking, it's still a person's individual
            > right to choose whether they smoke or not.
            >
            >  I believe that most employers are concerned with health issues and
            > insurance costs in making some of their decisions.  If you smoke you can
            > be
            > sure that you will have health problems in the future.  I believe that
            > most
            > people who smoke know that, and are aware and it's their choice that they
            > continue to smoke.
            >
            > I think that Hugh sees it as a non-government issue and the point of not
            > taking more of his rights away, and it is his choice.  Looking at it from
            > both sides, Hugh has his right to smoke if he chooses too, I have my right
            > not to be subjected to cigarette smoke.  So a compromise should be worked
            > out. Because of the health issue, employers opt for the smokers to be
            > outside and 

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